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by Carl Matthews updated 08/31/05 |
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Calling All Emmert Owners
I would like your help with this study. This study would not be possible without the help of so many FOYBEVOs. That is an OldTools acronym for Emmert Owner. It stands for Fraternal Order of Yuppie B*stard Emmert Vise Owners (I didn't make it up). A lot of tool collectors and galoots have contributed and I am very thankful. While there is a lot of Emmert information here, I am far from being complete. I'm discovering new information all the time. I'm asking for your help and contributions in three main areas.
Photos: A major part of any Type Study is observation. This is not easy since I live in Houston, Texas. Its difficult to convince a fellow Emmert owner to ship their vise to me for photos and measurements. I don't see many at garage sales or flee markets. Aside from eBay photos and the few purchases I've made, I rely on observations, comments and photos from you, the Emmert owners and users.
Here is what I would like. First, a good photo of the complete front jaw, head on. Rotate the handle so that most of the lettering shows. Next, close up photo(s) which show the cover if its a turtleback and the collar if its a "new improved" K1 vise. Additionally, photos of the mounting angle, tilt adjustment mechanism, unusual parts, and serial number if available. Note any differences (or similarities) from the Types listed below. Please send them to me, Carl Matthews.
I'm missing a additional photos of the Type T1, T3, U1, U2 and U3. Please note that unless you state to the contrary, I assume that I have your permission to use, enhance, manipulate and post your photos.
Serial Numbers: If you have a Turtleback vise, particularly Type T1, Type T2, Type T3, then you may have one with a serial number. Click Here for more information and location..
Dating: No, not what your teenager is doing. I'm talking about dates of manufacture and sales information. It is very difficult to determine production dates for the different patternmaker's vises. For a while, the Turtleback and the "new improved" Universal vise were sold at the same time. Unlike Millers Falls or Stanley which printed a new catalogs almost every year, Emmert Mfg. Co. used the same drawings and literature for years. Most of the tool catalogs show the same Emmert sales literature that might be 5 or 10 years old. Your help in this area would great. This could be by dated copies of sales literature, tool catalogs or by the testimony of patternmakers and woodworkers who purchased and used them. I will gladly make reasonable purchases of Emmert catalogs and literature to further the research. |
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Jaws 7 x 18-1/2 Opens 14 inches Weight 86 pounds
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Jaws 4 x 14 Opens 12 inches Weight 56 pounds |
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Salesman Model Sometimes called a No. 3 Jaws 3-1/2 x 9 Opens 3 inches Weight only 6 pounds |
Jaws 4 x 14 Opens 12 inches Weight 68 pounds |
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Jaws 4 inches Opens 6 inches Weight 100 pounds |
Jaws 3 inches Opens 5 inches Weight 55 pounds |
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Jaws 7 x 12 inches Opens approx. 14 inches Weight unknown |
Jaws unknown Opens unknown Weight unknown |
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Size unknown
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Early Emmert or Patternmaker's Copy?
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Emmert Portable Drafting Machine
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Vintage "Emmert Adjustable Drawing Board Vertical or Horizontal", made in Waynesboro, Pa. The vertical drafting board with a drafting machine attached is 78" x 53", a flat work table on the opposite side has a work surface of 84" x 40 1/2" with a small work table that also slides out from under the work table. There are also three large plan drawers under the work table. |
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Turtleback Types
The Turtleback name comes from the shape of the cover on the front jaw. The Turtleback was invented by Joseph F. Emmert. Click on the picture to see additional photos of that type. |
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Turtleback with One patent date, geared symbol around spindle hole, no text on front jaw. |
Turtleback with One patent date, no gear symbol, no text on front jaw. |
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Turtleback with One patent date, no gear symbol, front jaw has 82 on right and usual Emmert text on left. |
Turtleback with One patent date, elongated spindle hole, front jaw has 82 on right and usual Emmert text on left. |
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Turtleback with Two patent dates but 1891 scratched off, elongated spindle hole, front jaw has 82 on right and usual Emmert text on left. |
Turtleback with Two patent dates, elongated spindle hole, front jaw has 82 or 2 on right and usual Emmert text on left. |
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Turtleback with Two patent dates, elongated spindle hole, front jaw has 82 on left side now with nothing on right. |
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K1 or New Improved Universal TypesThe "New Improved" Universal types are sometimes called "K1" because of the casting number on the front jaw. Casting numbers are part numbers used to aid in assembly of the vise. The K1 vise was invented by Victor R. Koontz. Click on the picture to see additional photos of that type. |
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Victor Tool Co. K1 Universal with short vise dogs, no cam, and high-low ribbed collar. |
K1 Universal with short vise dogs, no cam, and high-low ribbed collar. |
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K1 Universal with long vise dogs, with cam added, and high-low ribbed collar. |
K1 Universal added vertical rib on front jaw behind collar. |
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K1 Universal with 4 rib collar. |
K1 Universal added extra reinforcement at base of vise dogs and now has the standard 8 rib triangular fin collar. |
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Type U6
K1 Universal added extra V shaped reinforcement
on jaws and now has a plastic knob on the cam. |
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